European Union Referendum

smat · Nov 20, 2017

Abertawe said:
b) is such a shithouse thing to say. Us real men and nerd scientists would prevent that from ever happening allowing you to carry on with your privileged life don't you worry.

if my life is so great why do i live in wales

Abertawe · Nov 20, 2017

smat said:
if my life is so great why do i live in wales

Which bit homey?

smat · Nov 20, 2017

Abertawe said:
Which bit homey?

I live in Caergwrle in Flintshire. The rich end.

smat · Nov 20, 2017

The European Banking Authority has left London for Paris and the European Medicines Agency has gone to Amsterdam. 1100 jobs gone (bad) and also now we don't have an agency which can determine if new treatments are safe and apparently nowhere near enough time to set one up before we leave (also bad).

silkyman · Nov 20, 2017

On that one it’s not so much that the jobs have gone, because we’ll need to recreate them, but many of the experienced staff will be gone.

There are also a host of pharma and financial businesses that are currently based in London to be near those agencies. They are here for the EU market. There might be some that hang around for the UK market alone, but it will be smaller scale.

So the agencies have gone which means we need to replace them and pay for those replacements (The EU pay for them currently, you know that £350m a week you were all excited about.... This is where a lot of it went) but the associated businesses and support industries will be mostly gone too.

So now these two have gone and we need to replicate them, we need to do the same with all of these.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencies_of_the_European_Union

And we don’t have expert staff in the country that we might just about be able to poach. We have to find, recruit, train, and find offices for all of them.

silkyman · Nov 20, 2017

The thing about an EU Army is we would probably be running it.

There’s a weird dichotomy amongst brexiters. They seem to believe that Britain is so all powerful and important on the world stage, where alone we are only really a medium sized player, that everyone will be queuing up to bend over and let us have our way, but at the same time, as one of the biggest economies in the EU, we have no power or influence over Luxembourg and Latvia.

Aber gas · Nov 21, 2017

Frealaf said:
No

Happy for the remaining industry of yer town to be destroyed because you believed stuff written on a bus is it mate?

Abertawe · Nov 21, 2017

silkyman said:
The thing about an EU Army is we would probably be running it.

There’s a weird dichotomy amongst brexiters. They seem to believe that Britain is so all powerful and important on the world stage, where alone we are only really a medium sized player, that everyone will be queuing up to bend over and let us have our way, but at the same time, as one of the biggest economies in the EU, we have no power or influence over Luxembourg and Latvia.

You are one miserable c***. When you leaving for the EU?

Gladders · Nov 21, 2017

Aber gas said:
Happy for the remaining industry of yer town to be destroyed because you believed stuff written on a bus is it mate?

Not everyone voted leave because of things written on a bus believe it or not

.V. · Nov 21, 2017

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/932200041305071621

silkyman · Nov 22, 2017

Frealaf said:
Not everyone voted leave because of things written on a bus believe it or not

It's amazing how few people fell for that, or any of the other lies. Thing is, people will have fallen for it, or they would have ditched that message and changed it. They were all over the data and knew it was working.

silkyman · Nov 22, 2017

Abertawe said:
You are one miserable c***. When you leaving for the EU?

Good comeback. About the usual level of leavers. And I'm not. Don't you read the news? I won't be an EU citizen in 2019, so it will be much harder to perform that tired old one-note shite that brexitwats roll out instead of, you know, anything else.

Stevencc · Nov 22, 2017

There's no part of life that Silkyman isn't ridiculously tribal/childish about, is there?

Even when he is on the side I tend to agree with he makes me cringe.

Aber gas · Nov 22, 2017

Frealaf said:
Not everyone voted leave because of things written on a bus believe it or not

That’s right. Some of you don’t like foreigners or money apparently.

Abertawe · Nov 22, 2017

Don't you read the news?

Does anybody? Please Silky don't tell me that in 2017 you allow for printed media to forge your consciousness on any half serious topic. That would be such a waste of that multidimensional brain that you possess.

I won't be an EU citizen in 2019

So you automatically assume you'll be banned from the EU, mighty fine leap silks. The government will concede on movement of people. They'll crash the economy for the corporations they serve otherwise. Hopefully double D can wangle it so movement of people to us is restricted to member states of comparable GDP's but I don't hold out much hope.

Laker · Nov 22, 2017

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...-we-dont-need-it-say-brexiters-20160720111113

Peace on earth.

silkyman · Nov 22, 2017

Abertawe said:
Does anybody? Please Silky don't tell me that in 2017 you allow for printed media to forge your consciousness on any half serious topic. That would be such a waste of that multidimensional brain that you possess.

I'm aware that something called 'brexit' is apparently happening. Lots of people read the papers. Apparently you think it's only thick people who do, though. Which is awkward given the press were very openly pro brexit. Are you saying brexit voters were all credulous morons? It's a strong angle from a brexiter, to be fair. But possibly an honest one.

Abertawe said:
So you automatically assume you'll be banned from the EU, mighty fine leap silks. The government will concede on movement of people. They'll crash the economy for the corporations they serve otherwise. Hopefully double D can wangle it so movement of people to us is restricted to member states of comparable GDP's but I don't hold out much hope.

I'll no longer be a citizen of the EU. I'm not a citizen of the USA either. Or Australia. Why should it be any easier?

So free movement of people is vital to not 'crashing the economy'? Albeit you want a version of it that is basically impossible. What exactly DID you vote for?

Abertawe · Nov 22, 2017

silkyman said:
I'm aware that something called 'brexit' is apparently happening. Lots of people read the papers. Apparently you think it's only thick people who do, though. Which is awkward given the press were very openly pro brexit. Are you saying brexit voters were all credulous morons? It's a strong angle from a brexiter, to be fair. But possibly an honest one.

I'll no longer be a citizen of the EU. I'm not a citizen of the USA either. Or Australia. Why should it be any easier?

So free movement of people is vital to not 'crashing the economy'? Albeit you want a version of it that is basically impossible. What exactly DID you vote for?

Why did I even bother. Support your team Brian.

Ebeneezer Goode · Nov 22, 2017

Laker said:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...-we-dont-need-it-say-brexiters-20160720111113

Peace on earth.

In all seriousness though, after months and months of apocalyptic economic projections continually being revised upward slightly, I can understand people heeding them less and less, especially given that we still don't know what Brexit will look like yet.

No prizes for guessing, when looking at that line, where the data we have ends and the projection begins...

The Paranoid Pineapple · Nov 23, 2017

Ebeneezer Goode · Nov 23, 2017

Any minute now everything going to fall apart.

Any minute now.

smat · Nov 23, 2017

Ebeneezer Goode said:
In all seriousness though, after months and months of apocalyptic economic projections continually being revised upward slightly, I can understand people heeding them less and less, especially given that we still don't know what Brexit will look like yet.

This is obviously crucial and why it's probably not worth paying too much attention to the forecasts. But whatever Brexit it is, it's overwhelmingly likely to be at least short-term damage - even most Brexiters talk about long-term gains.

Gladders · Nov 23, 2017

Aber gas said:
That’s right. Some of you don’t like foreigners or money apparently.

I have money, no worries there, and nobody likes the french

ThisTinpotLeague · Nov 24, 2017

JaseTheVillain said:
Well we've already been there and done that twice...

And we won the bluddy world cup amirite

smat · Nov 28, 2017

Incompetent. Incoherent. A laughing stock. This whole thing is such a fucking joke.

Captain Scumbag didn't die for this.

BigDaveCUFC · Nov 29, 2017

If I have a specific question currently it would be what is going to happen with all these mass of small incomes we get each year from the eu?

By that I mean the funding to assist farmers, money to help medical research, money into public services, money to assist poorer areas of country etc etc.

I believe it is less that we get annually than we pay.........but it is not directed by our government. Sounds simple to assume we take it from money we used to pay, but I do not trust uk government to do so.

A: you can bet bloody London and south west get it and the poorer areas suddenly lose it and B: this austerity government will decide to pocket some for itself.

For example if farmers get £1.2 billion to prop them up, this lot will decide to give just £1 billion, keep some for them self then continually claim they put new £1 billion into farming no previous govt did......while farming shrank around it.

Red · Nov 29, 2017

Frealaf said:
I have money, no worries there, and nobody likes the french

Incorrect. I have French friends.

Red · Nov 29, 2017

BigDaveCUFC said:
I believe it is less that we get annually than we pay.........but it is not directed by our government. Sounds simple to assume we take it from money we used to pay, but I do not trust uk government to do so.
.

This is a concern of mine too. I don't trust this government to replace funding for adult ed in deprived communities that the ESF funds.

smat · Nov 29, 2017

BigDaveCUFC said:
If I have a specific question currently it would be what is going to happen with all these mass of small incomes we get each year from the eu?

By that I mean the funding to assist farmers, money to help medical research, money into public services, money to assist poorer areas of country etc etc.

I believe it is less that we get annually than we pay.........but it is not directed by our government. Sounds simple to assume we take it from money we used to pay, but I do not trust uk government to do so.

A: you can bet bloody London and south west get it and the poorer areas suddenly lose it and B: this austerity government will decide to pocket some for itself.

For example if farmers get £1.2 billion to prop them up, this lot will decide to give just £1 billion, keep some for them self then continually claim they put new £1 billion into farming no previous govt did......while farming shrank around it.

I think the government pledged to continue farming subsidies until 2020 or something. But not beyond that, and the economy is up the creek so the answer is a lot of the agricultural sector will probably struggle - especially if tariffs are removed as some free-marketeers want, because it'll become a lot cheaper to import goods.

Indian Dan · Dec 4, 2017

Looks like the north of Ireland will remain in the customs union/single market to avoid the hard border.

Wonder what the Sturgeon Meister will make of that - and the DUP.

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