The Future of England 2.0

Liam_SWFC

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Didn't watch the game was watching the African Cup Of nations, but according to the report more defensive mistakes.:hb:
 

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Lingard's shit, so shouldn't even be any question whether Mount or Maddison get in ahead of him.

Great to see Mings in there, remember him playing for Chippenham. His dad Adie well known on the local football scene, played for us for a bit.
 

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The centre back options apart from Harry Maguire and Gomez are a bit meh aren't they? Surprised no Walker but we're extremely well stocked at right back. Lingard shouldn't have made the cut for me done not a lot for a good while now, more than enough in there though to get two comfortable wins against Bulgaria and Kosovo.
 

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Shame Southgate won't look at Coady because we play 3 at the back instead of his preferred 4. Statistically the best English CB behind only Maguire last season.
 

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I think it's a real shame Vardy has retired, Southgate should be doing everything to talk him into coming back, the lads electric and absolutely on fire this season. Far better then Rashford or Wilson at this point imo. He's capable of terrorising defences and can actually finish consistently.
 

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I think it's a real shame Vardy has retired, Southgate should be doing everything to talk him into coming back, the lads electric and absolutely on fire this season. Far better then Rashford or Wilson at this point imo. He's capable of terrorising defences and can actually finish consistently.
Vardy retired to prolong his own career, and we're not desperate in the striker department. Leave him be.

Class performance in the first half tonight by the way.
 

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Chalk and cheese in attack and defence !

What a strange game - very open and defences all over the place .
 

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I do find it odd that people talk about England coming undone against 'quality' international sides when they see the defensive display last night.

What quality international sides exactly?

Nobody is quality anymore, the French aside. Germany aren't what they were, look how they huffed and puffed past Northern Ireland the other day plus got rolled over the Dutch. Neither are Spain. Do people forget how poor they both were in the last World Cup? When Germany were knocked out in the groups by South Korea and Spain only just made it into the knockouts by drawing with Morocco?

Belgium, a side with talent but no cohesion? Brazil, who are deeply flawed and shadow of what they were 15 years ago. Argentina, who look average even with Messi. Portugal, see Argentina but swap Messi for Ronaldo. Holland look decent admittedly.

I get the unease at seeing England make basic mistakes against Kosovo. But to me, the time to judge them is Euro 2020. They are going to breeze through the rest of their qualifiers.

But next summer will really show how good they are. Because another tournament embarrassment like 2016 or a limp exit in the knockouts will maybe show 2018 was a fluke and because of an easy route to the semi-finals. If will also show if Southgate is a fraud or the real deal. I have my doubts, but we'll see.

People forget that France drew 0-0 at home to Luxembourg in September 2017. 10 months later, they were lifting the World Cup. Don't write this England team off before they've had a chance to build on 2018.
 

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I would say France and Belgium are quality, Belgium beat us fairly easily twice at the World Cup and have breezed through qualifying. Portugal won the Nations League and aren't all about Ronaldo anymore, some real class in that side especially in midfield. The Dutch have improved massively in the last couple of years, they play some great stuff and have imo the best CB pairing in the World

Spain, Italy and Germany are all rebuilding but wouldn't write them off, all have got some top young talent coming through.

We look a very good side going forward, reckon we can cause any team problems, think we're probably in that group just below France, Begium and Portugal when it comes to the favourites to win it. Can definitely see us making the semi's, and then with home advantage who knows.

Think it's going to be a very decent tournament.
 

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Yes agreed - there was probably a bit of complacent play or easing off in the 2nd half .

Hopefully they'd be more focused against the top terms which with our attacking play we are one of them .

Mistakes will always happen if you keep trying to play out from the back .

I'd say Belguim look the best team and did show tournament form in Russia to suggest they can do in the Euros .

France seem to get the job fine like Spain without being amazing.

Dutch are the team to watch ATM.
 

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Would have liked to have seen Maddison get a game. Think we need someone like him against tougher opposition. Yesterday it was easy to find space, Kosovo were wide open, won't be as easy to create chances without much creativity behind the front 3, unless we're going for the Liverpool approach.
 

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