European Union Referendum

How do you see yourself voting?


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Gassy

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Can't see her losing this one tbh - 158 is a hell of a lot.

Perhaps someone can correct me though on the following;

If she wins is she immune from being challenged outside of the Conservative party?

My thought pattern is that this was quite a smart move from the Tories if so. There were talks of Labour, DUP, Lib Dems, SNP etc getting ready to vote no confidence in her but wanted to do it after the MPs vote.

With the in party vote, if she wins she can't be challenged for 1 year, so I guess this means from the other parties too? So win/win for the Tories if true - either they topple May and get a new leader, or they guarantee power for another year at least

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She is right - not great timing but then since when the Tories been united and working together for the best of the British public?
 

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Macclesfield Town/Manchester City. It's complicated.
It’s a good job there’s nothing important going on so we can concentrate on whether a daft old twat said something mean about a xenophobic fuckwit.
 

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Can't see her losing this one tbh - 158 is a hell of a lot.

Perhaps someone can correct me though on the following;

............................With the in party vote, if she wins she can't be challenged for 1 year, so I guess this means from the other parties too? So win/win for the Tories if true - either they topple May and get a new leader, or they guarantee power for another year at least

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You've probably work out by now but no.

The in party vote was just about Tory leadership and has no direct effect on parliament/government.

By the way, I'm good at lip reading and I'm sure Jezzer was muttering:

Stupid EVANS!!
 

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They had server issues and restored it to a more recent date than they had managed before. Annoying that we lost a FINE afternoon of great posts, but probably better than losing a month where I made several very key observations.
 

silkyman

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Macclesfield Town/Manchester City. It's complicated.
Last time I looked there apparently hadn’t been any posts since late December.

But this brexit thing is going amazingly well, isn’t it?
 
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Last time I looked there apparently hadn’t been any posts since late December.
There were half-a-dozen or so posts about possible ways forward, the legal/procedural dimension of extending or nixing the Article 50 process, and the wording of any 2nd referendum question. It was quite a nice change from 'wiseacre' comments and shopworn "this is fine" memes, which makes the content loss particularly frustrating.

Do you have any view on the most likely and/or desirable way forward?
 

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There were half-a-dozen or so posts about possible ways forward, the legal/procedural dimension of extending or nixing the Article 50 process, and the wording of any 2nd referendum question. It was quite a nice change from 'wiseacre' comments and shopworn "this is fine" memes, which makes the content loss particularly frustrating.

Do you have any view on the most likely and/or desirable way forward?
Why are you asking him? He's a fucking idiot.

Ask me. Okay, so I don't think another referendum is a good idea. There is no mandate for it, and the practical considerations are bewildering. It is also irrelevant because of the a] current views of the basically intransigent Tory leadership, and b] the views of the Conservative membership, in case a new leader is sought. It is impossible to imagine a Conservative leader pursuing another referendum.

It's equally impossible to imagine the Labour party winning a general election with a referendum as part of their manifesto. The best we could hope for would be another hung parliament, but with the Tories siphoning off Northern towns in the manner of the SNP taking Labour's Scottish seats in 2015, which would be a complete disaster. The gains in liberal areas would not be worth it (see Lib Dems' 8-10% polling).

I think the #PeoplesVote campaign - and the persistent Remain movement at large - serves the dual purpose of letting comfortable middle class Europhiles like my mum (who seems chiefly annoyed because she has a house in France) vent some political anger for a change*, but also to undermine the leadership of the Labour party on behalf of the centrists who are behind it.

Crucially, I don't think the polls have shifted enough for a second referendum to have democratic credibility.

I don't think there is a good potential outcome (and since the referendum, there never has been). There is a least-worst outcome, which is to leave but remain close to the EU (possibly closer than people like you will be happy with), but with the current government it is sort of impossible to imagine how that might happen, as it would involve trampling over their own self-imposed red lines.

I think they - the government - have to choose between a general election and no deal. And while my heart says Labour would win a majority in a general election, that's far from certain. Even if they did, how much could the PLP be relied upon to vote through any legislation brought forward by a Corbyn government?

It's a fucking mess!

What do you think will happen?

*A friend observed that anyone who went on the People's Vote march, who had never previously been involved in any kind of activism, should be shot.
 

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