Donald Trump

Modernist · Jul 22, 2016

Abertawe said:
Tbf minus the fuck off retorts that's probably true for most politicians. I disagree with your sentiment Trump isn't intelligent though, he's got the world on a string atm, you can't do that if you lack the minerals.

Sure you can it takes little intelligence to get people fired up to believe lies.
He can't string a sentence together thats interesting, it's incoherent, if you hear him speak he doesn't even have a desire to sound intelligent. All he has is binal bluster full of errors with no ability to reason which intelligent people have, its hard to imagine theres an intelligent mind, and he's not hiding anything either.

Abertawe · Jul 22, 2016

Modernist said:
Sure you can it takes little intelligence to get people fired up to believe lies.
He can't string a sentence together thats interesting, it's incoherent, if you hear him speak he doesn't even have a desire to sound intelligent. All he has is binal bluster full of errors with no ability to reason which intelligent people have, its hard to imagine theres an intelligent mind, and he's not hiding anything either.

I'm sure he'll read your words and evaluate his whole being.

Carver · Jul 22, 2016

Clinton is a fucking criminal ffs who got let off and look at how socially and racially fucked up America has become under the Obama administration.

Benito · Jul 23, 2016

Clinton is a puppet of Soros.

Modernist · Jul 23, 2016

Abertawe said:
I'm sure he'll read your words and evaluate his whole being.

That's my aim.

Renegade · Jul 23, 2016

He's not informed enough historically and politically to be the "leader of the free world", but he's very good at marketing himself. I do believe it takes a lot of intelligence to be able to say so little in a speech, but also be able to get millions of Americans to buy into his message. Jockney linked a great video on his use of language a while back:

I don't think he's just stumbled into this position or that he's simply in the right place and the right time (with the wrong message). He's shrewd, knows how to use language and marketing to his advantage, can dismantle opponents with a simple quip and knows business. Whether he's as successful as he claims to be is anyone's guess, he probably isn't. He's almost certainly a sociopath, but he isn't an idiot. Dangerously unqualified, but quite intelligent.

Alty · Jul 23, 2016

I do wonder about the polling in light of several erroneous predictions in recent years (UK election, Israeli election, Brexit etc).

It's extremely politically incorrect to say you vote Trump. I know pollsters will try to factor this in when making their predictions, but it does make me think they're guessing rather than confidently predicting.

I strongly suspect Clinton will win because the only way Trump can win is to generate a surge in white turnout and then win 60% of it, but I'm less certain than I was a few months back. People are angry and despite Trump basically being an idiot, they're looking at an election that pitches a straight talking outsider against a corporate stooge looking to create a dynasty.

Ebeneezer Goode · Jul 23, 2016

Michael Moore has predicted he'll win based on the working class vote in three of the swing states and the fact that the demographics that are voting for Hillary simply don't vote as much, especially if they think - which they probably will - that Trump has no chance. I don't see it personally but I wouldn't be surprised if it was much closer than the polling suggests. He still hasn't really played his trump (heh) card in that under donor rules, he has in the past had both Clinton's bought and paid for. If he comes out and says he'll get money out of politics then things could get really interesting.

Freakyteeth · Jul 23, 2016

http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-wont-stop-joking-about-banging-his-daughter/

mnb089mnb · Jul 24, 2016

Alty said:
I do wonder about the polling in light of several erroneous predictions in recent years (UK election, Israeli election, Brexit etc).

It's extremely politically incorrect to say you vote Trump. I know pollsters will try to factor this in when making their predictions, but it does make me think they're guessing rather than confidently predicting.

I strongly suspect Clinton will win because the only way Trump can win is to generate a surge in white turnout and then win 60% of it, but I'm less certain than I was a few months back. People are angry and despite Trump basically being an idiot, they're looking at an election that pitches a straight talking outsider against a corporate stooge looking to create a dynasty.

"Voting for Trump" is perhaps the best definition of politically incorrect I've ever seen.

SUTSS · Jul 25, 2016

Trump leading in last 3 polls released. This is happening.

Carver · Jul 25, 2016

Trump is the right man I think to get America and the world out of the mess it is in, he is not afraid of doing what needs to be done and he has what a lot of so called political people don't have, common sense!

Pagnell · Jul 25, 2016

Carver said:
Trump is the right man I think to get America and the world out of the mess it is in, he is not afraid of doing what needs to be done and he has what a lot of so called political people don't have, common sense!

silkyman · Jul 25, 2016

Building walls to keep out one sort of brown person and banning others coming into the country until we 'figure them out'... Common sense.

epic73 · Jul 25, 2016

Carver said:
Trump is the right man I think to get America and the world out of the mess it is in, he is not afraid of doing what needs to be done and he has what a lot of so called political people don't have, common sense!

Get out now, please.

Carver · Jul 25, 2016

silkyman said:
Building walls to keep out one sort of brown person and banning others coming into the country until we 'figure them out'... Common sense.

Don't listen to the people who say it can't be done!

Come on, how hard is it to build a wall?

JaseTheVillain · Jul 25, 2016

Max · Jul 25, 2016

Carver said:
Don't listen to the people who say it can't be done!

Come on, how hard is it to build a wall?

Are you...serious?

Y'know that border is 2,000 miles long?

Gladders · Jul 26, 2016

Max said:
Are you...serious?

Y'know that border is 2,000 miles long?

China built a wall much bigger than that long before the days of heavy machinery!

Renegade · Jul 26, 2016

Aye, because building a wall to solve a problem has had such great consequences in the past.

The Berlin Wall separated loved ones for almost 30 years and was eventually torn down to the great joy of the vast majority of Germans, it was a great symbol of oppression (Iron Curtain) and some of it still stands today (most Berliners wanted it completely torn down) to serve as a reminder to Germans never to build barriers to separate people like this again.

My beloved Belfast erected some ironically named 'peace' walls, which heightened the sectarian divide between Catholics and Protestants during the troubles and mainly served to show that we're different, when we really aren't at all. They are an eyesore, plastered with sectarian graffiti, a relic from an ignorant generation that impede progress by reminding similar people that they are mortal enemies. Walls in Derry and Belfast have a net cost of about £1bn a year to the economy of Northern Ireland. Hopefully we can get rid of them when the old codgers die off.

The West Bank wall has been a rip-roaring success too. It's not going to be The Great Wall of China, Trump isn't building a wall to keep out the Mongols. Even it eventually failed, as the Ming dynasty was overthrown. It does look very pretty now though, I'll admit.

Yes, I know, the USA and Mexico aren't in such conflicted zones as the above, but lessons can still be learnt from their mistakes. Walls generally serve to protect countries/populations with an isolationist view. They rarely, if ever, mitigate the problems they were built to protect against. They more often than not incite irrational conflict, separate loved ones and induce fear at huge expense to the government who erected the wall - a wall that a lot of people will do everything in their power to get around or break down anyway.

smat · Jul 26, 2016

Renegade said:
erected

haha

Carver · Jul 26, 2016

Renegade said:
Aye, because building a wall to solve a problem has had such great consequences in the past.

The Berlin Wall separated loved ones for almost 30 years and was eventually torn down to the great joy of the vast majority of Germans, it was a great symbol of oppression (Iron Curtain) and some of it still stands today (most Berliners wanted it completely torn down) to serve as a reminder to Germans never to build barriers to separate people like this again.

My beloved Belfast erected some ironically named 'peace' walls, which heightened the sectarian divide between Catholics and Protestants during the troubles and mainly served to show that we're different, when we really aren't at all. They are an eyesore, plastered with sectarian graffiti, a relic from an ignorant generation that impede progress by reminding similar people that they are mortal enemies. Walls in Derry and Belfast have a net cost of about £1bn a year to the economy of Northern Ireland. Hopefully we can get rid of them when the old codgers die off.

The West Bank wall has been a rip-roaring success too. It's not going to be The Great Wall of China, Trump isn't building a wall to keep out the Mongols. Even it eventually failed, as the Ming dynasty was overthrown. It does look very pretty now though, I'll admit.

Yes, I know, the USA and Mexico aren't in such conflicted zones as the above, but lessons can still be learnt from their mistakes. Walls generally serve to protect countries/populations with an isolationist view. They rarely, if ever, mitigate the problems they were built to protect against. They more often than not incite irrational conflict, separate loved ones and induce fear at huge expense to the government who erected the wall - a wall that a lot of people will do everything in their power to get around or break down anyway.

It's to stop the masses of criminals like drug gangs for example sneaking over illegally, people can still get to America from Mexico legally by checking in.

It's not a separation.

Renegade · Jul 26, 2016

You can cross the Belfast Peace Wall and you could legally pass through the Berlin Wall too (at several positions including Checkpoint Charlie). I was going more for the symbolic nature of walls, how rarely they work, the tensions they increase between divided communities, the money they cost to build/maintain and how even despite their erection, people will always try to get around them anyway. Trump's wall won't work and people voting for him based on this policy are simply ignorant of history.

Carver · Jul 26, 2016

Renegade said:
You can cross the Belfast Peace Wall and you could legally pass through the Berlin Wall too (at several positions including Checkpoint Charlie). I was going more for the symbolic nature of walls, how rarely they work, the tensions they increase between divided communities, the money they cost to build/maintain and how even despite their erection, people will always try to get around them anyway. Trump's wall won't work and people voting for him based on this policy are simply ignoring history.

This would be a wall in the desert where hardly anyone lives and it is on a countries border, it's not like it's splitting a city in half or anything like you say.

epic73 · Jul 26, 2016

Carver, what makes you think Trump is good? Other than the fact that Hillary's bad?

Carver · Jul 26, 2016

epic73 said:
Carver, what makes you think Trump is good? Other than the fact that Hillary's bad?

He's not a puppet controlled by the lizard people for a start.

epic73 · Jul 26, 2016

Carver said:
He's not a puppet controlled by the lizard people for a start.

That's what makes him not one specific aspect of bad. That doesn't make him good. Answer the question.

Pagnell · Jul 26, 2016

Carver is on a wind up. Isn't he?

Aber gas · Jul 26, 2016

Carver said:
This would be a wall in the desert where hardly anyone lives and it is on a countries border, it's not like it's splitting a city in half or anything like you say.

Quite right, hardly a soul in Juarez, El Paso, San Diego and Laredo :dk:

epic73 · Jul 26, 2016

Pagnell said:
Carver is on a wind up. Isn't he?

When is he not?

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